Heads may’ve heard J. Cole’s track “Rich Niggaz.” Track 9 from Born Sinner captures Cole’s disdain for silver-spoon folks in contrast to his own working-class upbringing. Now with two top-selling albums under his belt, touring, endorsements, and whatnot, Cole reconsiders just six months since the cut released.

Jermaine speaks about the song as it relates to his mom, who delivered mail by day and pizzas by night. He also talk about Dane Dana (“with fame”) influencing his stream of consciousness on the joint. Cole really opens up in this Hard Knock TV series. Four years apart, this is Q&A worth waiting for.

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