9th Wonder Makes A Powerful Case For Tolerance Between Generations In Hip-Hop
In recent weeks, there have been several incidents, primarily on social media, that suggest a generational divide within Hip-Hop. Three of the biggest breakout stars of the last year ran into isolated incidents, and collided with some of Rap’s veterans. Beyond simply music, age played a factor in the conflicts between these artists.
At the beginning of September, highly revered producer and MC Pete Rock posted an Instagram caption dissing Memphis, Tennessee artist Young Dolph. The co-founder of Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth criticized Dolph’s “In My System,” for its glorification of drug use, particularly cocaine. “We gotta raise children better than this,” wrote the acclaimed artist. While Pete subsequently deleted the post, it prompted Dolph to lambast the producer for Nas, Public Enemy, and AZ, calling him “old” and urging him to choke.
Atlanta, Georgia artist Lil Yachty would follow, with Pete Rock again criticizing the rapping abilities of the 19 year-old on social media with a reposted caption of “when a wack rapper is asked to freestyle.” Putting down what he calls “mumble rap,” the producer belittled the teenager’s rhyme abilities. Following Rock’s post, Yachty called out the 25-plus-year DJ, producer, and fellow rapper with a series of ageist tweets. In his response, Yachty stated his solidarity with Dolph. In each case, the fans of the parities further attacked the artists’ social media pages with their own thoughts.
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However, this issue is bigger than just Pete Rock’s opinion. An artist approximately 17 years younger (with a P.R. tattoo), Ab-Soul, would decry Lil Uzi Vert’s refusal to rhyme to a DJ Premier instrumental during a February HOT 97 appearance (At 11:23, Uzi told Ebro, “I’m tellin’ you right now, if you pull up one of them old beats, I’m not rappin’ on it.”). Ab-Soul, a TDE artist, recently stated his frustration with “Lil” rappers, calling them “weak” and citing the infraction. Premier, who is credited as half of Gang Starr, spoke to Uzi—and took no umbrage. Outside of that, Uzi, a 22 year-old Philadelphia, Pennsylvania native, responded to Soulo’s points showing his admiration for the Carson, California’s lyricism and work. Uzi’s DJ is DJ P For Real, son of Grammy Award-winner Prince Paul—a contemporary of both Pete Rock and DJ Premier.
Approaching 20 years since Tupac Shakur died, Yachty told Billboard he could not name five songs from ‘Pac or The Notorious B.I.G. “If I’m doing this my way and making all this money, why should I do it how everybody says it’s supposed to be done?,” asked the MC in the feature. Rich Homie Quan, another ATL artist with a strong modern following, flubbed some of Biggie’s verse during a live spot alongside Lil’ Kim on VH1’s “Hip-Hop Honors” show. While Kim defended Quan as a last minute performer, she called it “a dagger to the heart” days after it happened.
This month’s wars of words across generations (with critiques on both sides involving age) are not a new trend. From Boogie Down Productions’ “I’m Still #1” (said to be a response to criticisms made by Grandmaster Melle Mel of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5) to B.D.P.’s KRS-One and Nelly’s millennium-era conflict, to Ice-T and GZA vs. Soulja Boy less than a decade ago, this is hardly a new phenomenon.
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Enter 9th Wonder. Since his 2003 arrival on the music scene, the Grammy Award-winning producer has praised Pete Rock and DJ Premier as two of his biggest influences. Moreover, as a veteran, 9th has worked with a host of younger artists in his career. In addition to mentoring Rapsody (who recently signed with Jay Z’s Roc Nation), 9th has worked with the likes of Big K.R.I.T., Anderson .Paak and Nipsey Hussle. Perhaps more importantly than that, 9th is a Harvard University Fellow, as well as a past instructor at North Carolina Central University and Duke University. The musician, DJ, father, and academic is regularly around young people, especially those interested in Hip-Hop—in addition to many of the culture’s pioneers and innovators.
In a series of tweets on September 9 and again on September 13, 9th made sense of the rift. Complex News produced a video on the message. Several of the most notable tweets are below as well.
After watching the whole “old music vs. new music” the past few days….
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
People have to accept the fact, that the rubric or standard for each generation is different….
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
So, the idea of being a great emcee, or these days, a great rock star…is gonna be different…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
This is not everyone in a certain generation, there are exceptions…of course…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
I had to understand that from having conversations with 18 year olds in a classroom year after year…not every 18 year old…but most
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
Or….even exploring the fact that they are seeing sounds…Bet that you the old person and that kid ain’t listening for the same thing..
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
In order to truly understand why a kid loves who they love…u gotta understand what exactly they are listening for in the music…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
U gotta give kids time for their musical palette to expand. Shit man, I didn’t start eating Brussel sprouts until I was older..
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
And nah, I ain’t trippin that some kid can’t name Biggie and Pac songs..u gotta check the kids background and upbringing before you judge.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
And u can’t condemn a kid for what they haven’t heard. Hell I thought New Edition was THE GREATEST…until I heard a Sylvers record…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
I do wish that this generation would know what it feels like to have at least 15 to 20 rappers they can be connected to for more than a year
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
The bigger question is…u gotta find out if a kid even wants to be invested in somebody for that long anyway…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
So leave Lil’ Uzi Vert, Lil’ Yachty, Kodak Black, etc….alone Fam. We got our greats. Ain’t nobody said you gotta like them….
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
I got Tribe, Nas, Jay, Big, Fugees, Outkast, Pete and CL, De La, D’Angelo….I’m good.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 9, 2016
Getting mad at kids who don’t know stuff from 20 years ago, but in ’93 when they were 18 couldn’t name everything from 1981.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
There was NO one in 1993 my age That could name 3 songs from The Treacherous 3, Funky Four Plus 1, Or Sequence, unless they were from NY.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
It’s STILL heads in their 40s RIGHT NOW that still don’t know who Sequence is…and only ONE song by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
Remember folks…we are entering a generation of kids where mom and dad’s classics are Gucci Mane. That’s how young they are.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
Now…all of this doesn’t mean that we accept a kid speaking on music he or she has NEVER heard. “He wack”. When they haven’t heard it.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
I used to argue that this 90s rapper is better than this new rapper, until I figured out we aren’t listening for the same qualifiers.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
Can’t get mad at the kids when the ones who are supposed to be keeping the flame alive abandon ship..and the listeners do too.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
If EVERYONE my age stuck to their guns on what they loved, we wouldn’t have a lot of this generational divide. Our greats would still sell.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
…but there are too many folk my age ridin’ around playing music out of their age bracket…complaining about “where is the real music”?
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 12, 2016
All that said, IM STILL a sample chopping boom bap nigga….I don’t change that for NOBODY, just do YOU and the rest will fall in place…
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 13, 2016
Go find someone you like. Support them. Quit worrying about niggas u don’t like.
— 9th Wonder (@9thwonder) September 13, 2016
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This is not the first time 9th Wonder has bridged the gap. In 2007, Little Brother released their third album, Getback. Although 9th had exited the group prior to the album’s release, he produced single “Breakin’ My Heart.” The song featured Lil Wayne, who was then a platinum superstar widely distance in the eyes of many fans from the North Carolina group who had never cracked the Top 50. 9th addressed the fan reaction in a video published around the single’s release.
Like he has at many institutions of higher learning, 9th Wonder may have just held class—for everybody.