On Monday (November 27), Ma$e called into Ebro In The Morning to state his side of the latest chapter of beef with Cam’ron. The multi-platinum veteran accused his former Children Of The Corn band-mate of being “a bully,” and compromising his income and his family’s happiness by creating an allegedly false narrative. This morning (November 30), Cam’ takes his side of the story to The Breakfast Club. Ma$e’s second album was called Double Up. Meanwhile, Killa Cam’ is doubling down that his associate of 30-plus years is lying.

In the nearly one-hour discussion, Cam’ron calls Ma$e out on some misinformation. For those that heard Ma$e’s “The Oracle” diss last Friday (November 24), one sticking point was the former Bad Boy Records superstar accusing Cam’ron of incest with his sister. “I’ve never dissed Ma$e; I’m telling you stories about real-life situations. I never made up [a story like] I f*cked my sister—an imaginary sister that I don’t have, or whatever.” Charlamagne Tha God asks the Diplomats CEO if he has a sister. “I don’t have a sister. So I don’t really do fiction when it comes to Ma$e.” Charlamagne then says, “You said you banged his sister,” referring to lines found in Saturday night’s reply-diss “Dinner Time.” Cam’ron responds with a shrug. “Well…” Charlamagne interjects, “She said it didn’t happen.” Cam’ responds, “Word, Stace’? Aiight, cool. Aiight.” He also vehemently denies having a Ma$e tattoo, another charge from the opponent. “No homo! That’s homo!” Cam’ron says at the mere idea (11:00). At 14:30, Cam’ron swears “on my son’s life” that he witnessed “a dildo” on the bathroom sink at Ma$e’s 1990s residence (a Midtown brownstone home owned by Puff Daddy). Cam’ron says Ma$e blamed it on his then-boss and owner of the home. “But it’s your bathroom; I don’t know where his bathroom at,” Cam’ron recalls with a snicker.

Cam’ron adds that thanks to a partnership, YouTube provided him an advance on “Dinner Time,” and that the record was poorly mixed due to the MC being touring on the road in Texas. “I would have done it for free. I don’t mind; I’m just a competitor,” he admits. However, Cam’ says the first thing he did upon hearing “The Oracle” was “see how much I could get” for responding. He vows to mix and master the song this week but claims no more “disses” will follow. Instead, like opening The Program mixtape with a story about Ma$e on “It’s Killa” (embedded further below), he vows to put similar tales on forthcoming tapes. “I ain’t lie one time about nothing in that song. And everybody in Harlem is cool wit’ it—or the people I know that grew up with us is cool wit’ it.”

At 6:15, Charlamagne suggests the two rappers, who have known one another since childhood, fight with their hands. “I’m down with that,” Cam’ responds. “The thing is this: I never dissed Ma$e. He’s part of my stories—childhood stories, growing up. On The Program, I did the intro. It’s kind of a touchy situation; if you’re from Harlem, you know the story very, very, very, very well. And I told the story; I’m cool with some of the families of the people that passed away in the story that I’m talking about.” These lyrics addressed that, after Cam’ron recalls Ma$e sliding him a $100 for reportedly saving his life during a standoff. “Got this ni**a home and he passed me a hundo (100 dollars?!) / Told him straight up I ain’t feeling him / Let me curve this ni**a ‘fore I end up killin’ him / I would make 80K on a lazy day . Then I watched him play Pop Lotti against Baby Maine / At this time I’m moving heroin in Maryland / They both died and this ni**a turned reverend.” This is the line, including admissions of a threat, that Ma$e says made him drop “The Oracle.” Cam’ron believes Ma$e disrespected former Uptown associates Pop Lotti and Baby Maine, and did not speak to grieving family members. At 12:00, the Dipset CEO says that the exact story on “It’s Killa” is why Ma$e left New York in 1999, during a platinum Bad Boy career. “Listen to [‘It’s Killa’] if you ever want to know why Ma$e left Harlem.” Charlamagne says he had heard a story that involved eight murders. Ma$e mentioned “murder” and “statute of limitations” multiple times in his Monday call with Ebro In The Morning, but was vague.

Moving forward, Cam’ says that Ma$e blaming him for Huddy Combs’ death is “another lie.” The Harlem World group member died in an auto accident after leaving a city event with Cam’ron. “I don’t know where that came from.” Of the accusations that he robbed Juelz Santana, Cam’ron says that they had a joint venture at Def Jam. When Dipset was fractured, and Juelz wanted his independence, Cam’ron contends that instead of Juelz getting $400,000, Cam’ gave his protégé his share, letting the MC leave Def Jam with $900,000 in whole (15:00).

Whereas Ma$e declared himself the victor on Monday, Cam’ron understands the public perception. At 8:15 he says, “[There is not] a story if I beat Ma$e! I’m supposed to beat Ma$e. Not only that, I’m kind of aggressive, so it seems like ‘the pastor is getting aggressive with the aggressor.’ That’s a good story; as long as you talk about me, I’m cool with that. Period.” Cam’ron adds that while he welcomes “a fair one,” he and his associates would never do bodily harm to Ma$e.

During the lengthy chat, Cam’ron accuses Ma$e of being from Jacksonville, Florida—not Harlem. “Where Ma$e got a show at? Yo fam, it is 2017, you on tour with Puff’ still? Come on, Five. Sh*t is crazy You don’t got a show anywhere doing anything, music-wise. I’m not dissin’ him or nothin’, but Ma$e performs a couple times a year, like Soul Train or Lady Of Soul Awards and stuff like that.” Charlamagne laughs. Vowing he’s not dissing, Cam’ also charges, “Ma$e still dress like the ’90s,” jokes Cam’ron. “If you look at him, he looks like he’s about to sing the first verse of the song with him and [112]—’come if you want to, hum if you want to,‘ every time you see him, that’s what you think.”

Elsewhere in the interview, Cam’ron describes how accidental product placement while using Instagram Live allowed him to do business with PepsiCo. He unpacks his breakup with JuJu. The rapper also says that on his next project he will rap the story of then-Roc-A-Fella CEO Dame Dash putting hands on former Hollywood executive Harvey Weinstein on the set of Paid In Full. The incident involved a woman, and as Cam’ believes, is a reason why the film did not do better.