On Black Friday (November 24), Ma$e tried to put the lights out on Cam’ron. The former Bad Boy Records superstar and onetime G-Unit artist laid into his past collaborator and Children Of The Corn band-mate for four minutes straight on “The Oracle.” His diss used JAY-Z’s “Blueprint 2” instrumental (produced by Natural Elements member Charlemagne). Cam’ron, who set off the conflict earlier this month on his song “It’s Killa,” with a story about events that allegedly happened in 1997, replied 36 hours later with “Dinner Time.”

This is not the first time that the two Harlem representatives have dissed one another, but it may be the most memorable. Many Rap fans may have been puzzled by a social media exchange between the two veterans just moments after Cam’s reply. Calling into Ebro In The Morning hours ago, Murda Ma$e explains why this is way deeper than Rap—and that it was no friendly competition.

“That wasn’t even a record. That was just… [Cam’ron] said something that just pushed me over the edge,” Ma$e says of “The Oracle.” Asked what the words were, Ma$e specifies, “Saying something about a person, I don’t take that seriously. But when you start saying you’re gonna do bodily harm or you’re thinkin’ about that, it’s my job as a man to make sure you don’t get to do that.”

This conflict goes back a long way, as Ma$e indicates. “Every other time, when he was sayin’ lil’ stuff about me, I let it slide, ’cause we grew up [together]. But what people don’t realize [is that] we’ve been enemies way longer than we’ve been friends. I know him more as an enemy than I know him as a friend, if that makes sense? I knew him for like eight years as a friend; I’ve known him for 21 years as being an enemy.” Ma$e was a guest on Cam’ron’s Confessions Of Fire debut, even after their C.O.C. group (which also included Big L, Herb McGruff, Bloodshed, and Digga) seemingly disbanded. Big L and Bloodshed were both killed.

The HOT 97 interview gets a bit testy. Host Ebro Darden and Ma$e frequently speak over one another. “Nah, Ebro, let me speak! ‘Cause for 20 years, y’all let Cam’ speak. Y’all don’t know my side of the story. You just know his side of the story; your whole perception of me came from Cam’ron. The whole world’s perception of me came from Cam’ron and his affiliates. My beef with Jim [Jones] comes from Cam’ron. Juelz [Santana] said even he inherited a beef with me ’cause of Cam’ron. Nobody really knows my side. That’s what made it so crazy, ’cause [‘The Oracle’] is the first time you really heard Ma$e’s side,” says the platinum veteran who gained recognition alongside Biggie Smalls through 112’s “Only You (Remix)” in mid-1996.

Ebro alludes to Cam’ron’s charges that Ma$e abruptly left New York City and a booming career because of extortion and fear. The Dipset CEO has also asserted, for years, that Ma$e used religion as a hustle. “No, Ebro. I wasn’t havin’ no issues in the street; that’s Cam’ron’s version of what happened.” The Harlem World group leader continues, “Listen, there’s no statute of limitations to murder. Right? So if you do something to my brother…if I see you 50 years from now, it’s still lit. So I wouldn’t be able to go through Harlem today. There’s no statue of limitations on murder. Are you kidding me? I ain’t have no problems in no streets. Cam’ told you that, and you heard that [for] so long that that’s your perception. What I did in that [‘The Oracle’] is I changed that narrative. All I’m sayin’ is this: Cam’ can’t bully me; he ain’t tough enough to bully me. He can’t get nobody to help him bully me. That’s all I’m sayin’.” Ma$e refers to Cam’ron as a bully throughout much of the 15-minute conversation. He says that Cam’ron “calling me a ‘false preacher'” hurt his marriage, children, and prevented the former El Elyon International Church official from helping others in his new career.

Ma$e brings this up to justify a particularly controversial two-bars: “If you can judge me for the past / Then I can judge you for Huddy’s crash.” In 2010, Huddy Combs, a member of Harlem World, was killed in an auto accident. Soon after, Cam’ron called out Ma$e for not attending the funeral of his former band-mate. “Y’all took that the wrong way,” he tells Ebro and Peter Rosenberg, both of whom state the Rap lines may have crossed a line of decency. “Ain’t no fair in war,” Ma$e asserts. “For 20 years I’ve turned the other cheek. I only have two cheeks, Ebro. I’m a man before a pastor. I was in the streets, and I went to church; I’m not in the church trying to be street. I’m a street ni**a who went to church.” Later he says, “I’m too grown to be bullied.”

Ma$e is asked if there will be physical beef. “I already spanked him lyrically. It’s nowhere else to go, lyrically. What else you gon’ do?”

Ma$e tells the morning show that he feels as though media, including HOT 97 personalities, have sided with Cam’ron for years. Because of that, the MC says he believes when he does share new music, it doesn’t get the promotion it deserves. He points out Funkmaster Flex by name. However, Ma$e reveals he’s been supporting himself as a writer for other rappers. He refuses to disclose his clients, out of respect for the agreements. “I can go in the booth today and give you a smash. You know all the people I wrote for. Even when I left music, I was still writin’ records that y’all went crazy over—it’s just that other people was doin’ ’em. So it’s not like I left anywhere.”

Eventually claiming he won by “a landslide,” Ma$e believes he defeated his bully and, as he says, “changed the narrative.”