Joe Budden Flips Out On Eminem. He Says He’s Been Better Than Em For A Decade (Video)
Friday (August 31) marked Joe Budden’s 38th birthday. The Jersey City MC-turned-media host says he woke up to learn that Eminem addressed him on a sneak-attack album, Kamikaze. The news came after Budden was publicly critical of Eminem’s 2017 work, (especially singles “Walk On Water” and “Untouchable”) via his platforms, Everyday Struggle and The Joe Budden Podcast. For much of the last decade, the currently-retired Joe was a member of Slaughterhouse, a group that remains signed to Em’s Shady Records.
Early this year, Eminem’s “Chloraseptic (Remix)” appeared to address Joe’s jabs towards Revival material subliminally. It certainly punched at all parties who criticized the MC’s latest work. That non-album remix arrived during a time when Joe Budden insisted that there was no beef with Eminem. D12 member Bizarre was among those who saw things differently, claiming Joe was out of line to bite the hand that once fed him and upset his onetime boss. On Kamikaze, there is no doubt that Marshall Mathers was bothered. On the video single “The Fall,” Em mentions Joe by name. “Somebody tell Budden before I snap, he better fasten it or have his body bag get zipped / The closest thing he’s had to hits is smackin’ b*tches,” raps the Detroit MC/mogul.
On the latest episode (#177) of The Joe Budden Podcast, the show’s host publicly responds to the most recent development. He takes a fiery 101 minutes to do so. At 36:40, Joe tells co-hosts Rory and Mal (as well as producer Parks) that “this has been building up for a long time. Boy, am I glad this day is finally here! Because it allows us to be truthful, finally! Boy, I love when the gloves come off! I love when we can stop dancing around respect because I was taught that this industry was built off of relationships,” begins Joe. Moments later, Joe says that in the last year, he was “talked out of” a diss record aimed at Eminem. That would have happened concurrent to his beef with Drake, as the co-hosts remind him. Joe contends that he is currently “closer to Drake” than he is to Eminem. The host tells his co-hosts and audience to “make of that what you will.”
In the moments that follow, Joe Budden blames himself for the demise of Slaughterhouse. He says that he viewed Eminem and Shady Records differently than the three band-mates. Budden says that unlike Rick Ross’ development of Wale and Meek Mill at Maybach Music Group, Eminem was hands-off with the super-group of lyricists. The Em features Budden thought may be given to S.H.’s album did not happen. Meanwhile, Joe’s suggestion that ‘House open up for Em’s touring was met with the fact that Marshall was “too big” to tour during the 2010s. While Eminem did not take Slaughterhouse on the road with him or provide a verse for the group’s first album with Shady, he had input on the songs. At 48:00, Joe claims, “We had to send [the album] somewhere. By the time it came back, it was different.” Budden says that Eminem picked the beats. “Every time we had to go back and do more songs for the album, there’d always be five or six Eminem beats. They were horrible f*ckin’ beats!,” says Joe, before correcting that they were sounds not ideal for Slaughterhouse. He says that upon receiving revisions, his verses were often pulled from songs—including songs that he personally conceptualized. Joe also charges that he wanted respect above money or fame. He feels he was the only MC in the quartet with that primary objective. “Joe is the most popular member of the group,” he says at 54:45.
“Let me tell you since you’re in this mega-star cocoon…Newsflash Em: I heard the album,” says Joe of Kamikaze at 59:30. “And because I don’t think you really know all the members that were in [Slaughterhouse], I don’t really think you know our history. Let me tell you what Joe Budden has thought this entire time: I’ve been better than you this entire f*cking decade!” Acknowledging that he could say that in the early 2000s, he adds, “But in my rapper brain, I’m a content ni**a; you gotta say something [when rapping]. You have not said anything for the better part of a whole f*cking decade! You have rhymed a bunch of words!” He continues, “Eminem is the best rhymer of words in the world! On the planet. He can rhyme letters. He can rhyme words that don’t rhyme. He can rhyme accents, damn near. He can do a lot. Boy, he’s talented. Know the Hip-Hop I fell in love with? The Hip-Hop that said you gotta say something. I personally haven’t heard that Marshall in quite some time. How could I be mesmerized by somebody I think I’m better than? You’ve been in your cocoon, so you’re unaware of a few things,” he says, going on an extensive rant. “You don’t sh*t about sh*t, Em.” He then says that there’s “three ni**as on your label better than you.” Later, Joe specifically mentions Royce 5’9 being better than his Bad Meets Evil cohort. He also points out that Eminem has said Joe’s name more as an adversary than when Joe was working on Shady. He considered Slaughterhouse a passion project for Eminem and Shady Records. He likens that to Westside Gunn and Conway The Machine’s Griselda Records partnership with Shady now.
“You thought a domestic violence bar would get Joe out the bed?” he asks at 64:30, playing gunshot sound effects. Later, he alludes to Em’s own issues with rumors of physically abusing women. He critiques his diss to Tyler, The Creator on the same song at 69:50. He insists he’s still done with rapping. “He’s desperate. Not Joe. No. No. No. No. No,” says Budden, affirming his current retired status.
At 88:00, Joe Budden asserts that Eminem is dissing Drake on “The Fall.” That is a claim that Em’s manager, Paul Rosenberg has publicly denied. “Eminem, I know you don’t know me very well. But not only do I think a bout between you and I would end embarrassing for you, I don’t think there’s a chance you would win. I don’t think there’s one chance, and I’m being 100% honest,” Joe says just before 90:00, adding that he’s seen Eminem as “a case-study” and has been a fan since 1996.
“I know you don’t know about me,” Budden says to his onetime employer. “You better go check my f*ckin’ Car Fax, ni**a! You better go ask some ni**as that’s close to you; I live for this type of sh*t. And all of that rappity-rap, lyrical miracle bullsh*t—any ni**a that want it like that, that think they want it with me, I don’t think you would fare well.” Joe closes the portion of the podcast at 93:00 with, “I also think it’s really corny when retired ni**as pop sh*t about what they could’a, should’a, would’a done. So, I feel like I’m in control of the rules here, Em. I’m backed now. You’re not so much. Paul is at Def Jam. It feels weird when Paul is tweeting [followers] about 2 Chainz’ album.” The closing remark appears to refer to Joe’s new deal with Revolt. The Garden State MC may be implying that he no longer relies on the man who gave his group a record contract early in the 2010s. At 95:30, he closes, “Let me end this by saying this: Eminem, because I’m the one calling the shots here, and because I’m better than you, and because I’m backed now and because I’m in power, now both of us are rich. [It is] hard to talk to rich ni**as a certain way when you’re not rich. But another thing I read is that you’ll never get rich if you don’t act rich. [Laughs]…so you’re right Em, all along. A common theme that I hear on your album is you talkin’ about how you are not like somebody. I find that interesting,” the rapper says, claiming he likened himself to Em on 2015’s “SlaughterMouse” which prompted a phone call. “Here’s what I’m thinking, Em: I’m retired. And that bullsh*t that you spittin’ is bullsh*t. I’m not getting outta bed for it! Now, you inspire me the way my harsh criticism inspired you—you go spit something to make the superior MC, me, to get out of his bed! Because domestic violence bars are not gonna do it. And I’m not MGK; I’m not just jumping at the chance to respond to you. I know what you and Paul doin’, my ni**a. It’s over. It’s over, and you know it.” He questions Eminem’s character, saying he does not look out for his own. Joe compares D12’s Bizarre to JAY-Z’s right-hand-man Ta-Ta. Ta-Ta’s skin is glowing!” Joe says that he would never address Royce 5’9 and that their brotherhood is sacred, despite the relationship being “in an interesting spot.”
Joe’s final take is, “In the event that you want to address me, ni**a, do it outside of your album rollout. Let me know that you mean it. Let me know that you took some time out of your day to go in the booth and address another ni**a when there was no financial gain involved for you. I keep saying that. And the second that you do it, I’m on yo’ ass! Hear me loud and clear! I am gonna cut your f*ckin’ ass up!” he says at the 100:00 mark. “And I been waitin’, baby.”
Eminem has not responded as of press time.