This past weekend, a conversation between Drake and Lebron James seemingly rehashed what may end up as 2018’s most talked-about feud in Rap. While Drizzy and Pusha-T have been verbally sparring on songs for most of this decade, the art of war got especially colorful this year in the form of three songs: Pusha-T’s “Infrared,” Drake’s “Duppy Freestyle,” and the Clipse co-founder’s “Story Of Adidon.”

The last of the three songs went too far in the eyes of Drake, as he admitted on The Shop. The OVO founder said that it was Pusha-T’s jabs at producer Noah “40” Shebib and his health battles with multiple sclerosis that crossed the line. Drake declared, “Rap purists and people who just love confrontation love to say, ‘Man, there’s no rules in this sh*t.’ But there are f*cking rules in this sh*t! I’m gonna tell you something: I knew something was gonna come up about my kid. They had to add the ‘deadbeat’ thing to make it more appealing, which is fine—I understand that. Even that, I was like okay. [Pusha-T mentioning my parents on ‘The Story Of Adidon’], whatever—you don’t even know my family. But I’ma tell you: wishing death on my friend that has M.S…I study Rap battles for a living. Now when you mention defenseless people who are sick in the hospital that passed away, that really sent me to a place that I just believed then—and believe now that there’s just a price that you have to pay for that. It’s over. Someone’s gonna f*ckin’ punch you in the f*ckin’ face. The sh*t’s done; the event’s over. I wanted to do other things; I didn’t want to further your reputation or your career by rapping back at you and having this exchange. That was it for me.”

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In that same interview, Drake alleged that Kanye West, who produced “Infrared,” plus employs Pusha-T as a G.O.O.D. Music executive and artist, shared private information. After a time when Drake confided in West about his child (and new music related to this admission), the public revelation came out on Pusha’s “Story Of Adidon” diss—not Drake’s “March 14,” as the superstar had planned.

Less than a week after The Shop episode, Pusha-T responds and refutes Drake’s bold claims. The Virginia Beach representative appears on episode #188 of The Joe Budden Podcast. The conversation wastes no time “getting to the sh*ts” as Pusha-T addresses Drake at the 10:00 mark.

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“[What Drake said to Lebron James is] not what it is, not what happened, and totally not where the information came from,” Pusha reveals, referring to baby-gate. Moments later, the DAYTONA creator counters, “The information came from 40; it didn’t come from Kanye—at all. 40 is sleeping with a woman. He talks to her daily, five-six hours a day [and] provides opportunity for her. [40] ultimately speaks to her about [how] he’s disgruntled with certain things: notoriety and things involving Drake and his career, so on and so forth. With that [chatter] also came the fact that Drake has a child. With that also came the trip that everybody took to go see the child, and bring him gifts—all of this information. She divulged this information. That’s where it came from.” Noah “40” Shebib is Drake’s creative partner of more than a decade, and a producer on many of his songs.

Pusha-T continues, “Now, I never told nobody [where the information came from]. I never said that to anybody. And I never put that out there. Because, the way I see it, there was so much power in silence, number one. Number two, I was being spiteful. [Kanye West was] apologizing [to Drake]; what are you apologizing for, sir? You didn’t give me nothing [in the way of information]. You didn’t give me anything as far as aiding in this drama. Nothing.” Push’ says that Drake felt as though Kanye violated his trust because of the apology. “Now dude thinks what he thinks…the only reason [the truth] is coming out now, for real for real, is because he was so passionate about the whole MS thing. [The Shop dimmed] the back-light and put the whole spotlight on his face and [mimics Drake], ‘When you said my friend…,’ but your friend is the reason why [this all happened]. That’s how it came about. That’s how this information [existed]. That [Kanye West was the one who snitched] narrative gotta die.”

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Pusha-T charges that other false story-lines have been circulated, including one about Rap-A-Lot Records founder J. Prince intervening in the beef. “I don’t know J. Prince, bruh,” says the MC, pointing out that Prince’s memoir published in conjunction with the alleged verbal cease-fire. “My manager [Steven Victor] spoke to him. [He was] the most respectful guy in the world. Nothing [menacing came of it]. All these false narratives are fueling and covering up [that] we just had a battle, and you came up on the short end of the stick of it. That was it. That was it!”

Push’ explains how he feels he’s won the battle at several critical moments. “[I put] out the artwork, and you [gave] a whole dissertation in your notes and posting that, that was a W to me. J. Prince having to step in [for you], that’s a W to me. Nobody’s talkin’ for me; are you buggin’? What? The shots thrown at ‘Ye after the fact is a W to me; why are you way over there?” Pusha feels that Drake waiting months to address the conflict also reflects a win in his column, in addition to Adidas and Drake’s Adidon fashion line never releasing. “She knew all of this! She divulged all of this information…pillow talking kills everybody!”

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At the 40:00 mark, Pusha-T refers to Drake and Kanye West’s relationship as “a bromance.” When defending his songwriting, Drake accused Push’ of a double-standard, given that he personally has written for West. Push’ asserts that he sees his employer as a producer, likening him to Dr. Dre. With it, he says he would not turn down an opportunity to ghostwrite a diss track from ‘Ye aimed at Drake. The Re-Up Gang co-founder also says he is not aware of the writing Drake did for Kanye, adding that it could be melodic, R&B-driven material. “I can’t be in the [Wyoming] studio when Drake’s there! I can’t! I’m not allowed! When they’re in Wyoming, I’m there on the 1st through the 7th. Next thing I hear, [Drake and Noah ’40’ Shebib] are there on the 8th…everybody else can be there. I can’t. ‘Cause I don’t play neutral. I don’t do that.”

Nearing the 50:00 mark, Pusha-T explains why he has taken this beef so far. “This sh*t was deep. This sh*t was a real f*ckin’ thing. First of all, as much as [Drake] wants to discount it, you did say my wife’s name; I don’t play that sh*t…even the narrative of him and his [Battle Rap] research and all of that sh*t. Bro, when I tweeted out ‘$100,000 ain’t enough for information’ that sh*t was real! That sh*t was real. That was not fake.”

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At 99:00, Joe Budden plays a portion of one conversations. At a time when Drake has discussed rules in Rap battles, Joe and Pusha-T question offering money for info. Pusha says the woman on the call was invited to his wedding. “What was good dirt to you was me having a secret baby. And this is who I call my sister, wholeheartedly.” A second conversation clip is played at 1:03:00. A third conversation, with The Clipse’s former DJ, is played. Pusha-T admits that he and that artist are not close today.

Joe Budden, whose had high-profile conflicts with Drake, laughs and says he is aware. Pusha continues, “People who were close, and near and dear to me are aiding and helping him do this sh*t. That sh*t is so wack to me, man.” Push’ describes several people who were approached with six-figure information offers. “Bro, they go above and beyond!” Later, Pusha says, “That research didn’t come back with nothin’. As a matter of fact, [the people that OVO spoke to] taped the conversations and gave them to me. Play ’em! If ya’ want, ’cause I got ’em! [Laughs] I just don’t want ni**as actin’ like they got one-up on me, or their money or their popularity runs me. No, bro. This sh*t ain’t about this. This sh*t is some Rap sh*t!”

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With potential paid-for information in hand, Drake recorded a diss song before being allegedly ordered to stand down by onetime mentor, J. Prince. Prince, whose artists have been in beefs over the years, described the track as “career-ending.” Pusha-T comes back to that narrative. “I don’t like these threatening ‘oh, I made this [career-ending] diss,’ no you f*cking didn’t! You believe that; I don’t believe that…you wouldn’t spare me. For what I’ve done, you wouldn’t spare me. Who’s sparing me? For what?”

A beef that has seemingly gone cold since June may be heating up this autumn. Meanwhile, Pusha-T says that he is currently at work on a DAYTONA follow-up.

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Additional Reporting by Bonita.